anybody engaged in trying to do harm to the united states or world commerce sees it as an opportunity. they can remain anonymous for some time. that is probably why anonymous has chosen the name. you are not completely anonymous as some -- they are not completely anonymous, but there are some areas where these groups have leverage and can exercise leverage over the world economy and critical infrastructure. host: ron, independent line. caller: i keep hearing comments about cyber attacks and terrorist attacks. i think my government has done more terrorism around the planet than any other government. i hear these things trying to keep the populace scared and terrified. we have another pentagon died trying to prop up the military industrial complex, is what i feel. guest: i do not work for defense contractors. i am independent. i have my own business. i did serve in the military for 26 years. i can tell you from personal experience and historical experience that the united states does not engage in terrorism. in terms of the actual threats, these threats are not often appreciated because